Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

History repeats itself.

Claudia, if you’re to weak to dispute don’t talk about undisputable things.

- War on despot countries is not the same as war on terrorism. But hell, yeah, let’s kill all them bad guys anyway.

- Your «undisputable facts» are governmental propaganda, much of it has already been denied by the very people who distributed it.

- US/UK secret services are terrorists. Who would fight them?

- You take this whole thing personal.

This isn’t about me being ”into the war”, it’s about “facts concerning the war“. I’ve given you undisputable facts and you’ve given ad nauseam rhetoric and not a damn thing more.

Your biggest concern isn’t Iraq anyway, it’s Iran. ‘Cause…if Iran gets their hands on the right war-head, they have the capability to hit Berlin and other European cities. Your naiveté will get you killed. The terrorists don’t just want to kill American’s, they want to kill German’s too! Whether you like it or not Fubar, Germany needs America and America won’t put up with Germany’s treasonous anti-America shit much longer. Not to worry, you’ll always have your butt-buddy France to bail you out. Good fucking luck!

I’m done with your nonsense.

While you said I haven’t read your links you obviously haven’t read mine.

While you call me an emotionalist it’s obvious you’re just into the war thing itself.

While you quote governmental sites it’s fun to see how the governments make you think whatever they want you to think, being afraid of whatever they want you to be afraid of and permitting them to do whatever they want.

You’re just another F.U.D. victim.

A Most Safe and Happy New Year, to you and yours.

«Zarqawi himself was treated in a Baghdad hospital»
Is this a justification for a war with 35′000 deaths?

Two things:

(1) WMD

Your “facts” is a early speech by Mr Powell, whose job is to form opinions, not to form facts.

«It was Powell who told the United Nations and the world that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and posed an imminent threat. He told Walters that he feels “terrible” about the claims he made in that now-infamous address — assertions that later proved to be false.

When asked if he feels it has tarnished his reputation, he said, “Of course it will. It’s a blot. I’m the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It’s painful now.”»
Taken from http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Politics/story?id=1105979&page=1 .

So where the hell did the WMD go?

(2) www.globalsecurity.org and the link Mr Warmonger postet on his blog, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html, are governmental links from before 2005. I have read it. Now, you again read (1) and repeat your “undisputable facts” statement.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2003/09/sec-030929-usia01.htm

Capt. Fubar, I realize you won’t read the above provided link, but this small piece is concerning Germany, so I pasted it here for you. Happy reading …dear!

Since September 11, 2001, 173 countries have issued blocking orders to freeze terrorist assets totaling $136.8 worldwide, the press release said.
The United States has listed 320 individuals and organizations as terrorists and terrorist supporters, the press release said.
Following is the text of the press release:
(begin text)
FROM THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS
September 24, 2003
JS-757
Treasury Designates Six Al-Qaida Terrorists
- The U.S. Treasury today announced that it has designated six individuals as Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs) under Executive Order 13224, freezing any assets in the U.S. and prohibiting transactions with U.S. nationals. Today’s action comes in coordination with the listing of these individuals by the United Nations. The UN action requires all UN Member States to freeze without delay any assets belonging to these individuals.

The list, submitted to the UN by Germany, includes Abu Musa’ab Al-Zarqawi (also known as Ahmed Fadil Al-Khalayleh, among other aliases), who provided financial and other support to the terrorists who assassinated U.S. diplomat Laurence Foley in Amman, Jordan last October. Zarqawi has also been involved in smuggling terrorists into Israel, has arranged training for Jordanian terrorists in al-Qaida camps. In his speech to the United Nations Security Council last February, Secretary of State Powell revealed that under the regime of Saddam Hussein, Zarqawi and his network found refuge in Iraq and Zarqawi himself was treated in a Baghdad hospital. Zarqawi’s network also established a poisons and explosives training camp in Northwest Iraq.

Also designated are members of Zarqawi’s German-based terrorist cell Al Tawhid, an organization with close links to al-Qaida. The German government has established that Zarqawi serves as the operational leader of the cell.

This action underscores the international commitment to fight terrorist financing. Since September 11, 2001, 173 countries have issued blocking orders to freeze assets, and $136.8 million has been frozen worldwide. With today’s designation, the U.S. has now listed a total of 320 individuals and organizations as terrorists and terrorist supporters since September 11, 2001.

The following individuals were designated today:
Abu Musa’ab AL-ZARQAWI
Mohamed ABU DHESS
Shadi ABDALLA
Aschraf AL-DAGMA
Ismail SHALABI
Djamel MOUSTFA

And I have answered most of your questions, you just don’t read carefully.

Wearing specific clothing and being a terrorist are two things. No terrorist would wear a garb in the city. Thinking this way is not just silly, it’s dangerous.

Claudia,

How to fight terrorism effectively?

First off, don’t give them money, weapons and drugs to fight YOU.
This is what the honorable United States of America / CIA have been doing long years with your taxes, in order to intervene with remote politics or overthrow them. As a result your government has been raising evil despot regimes and terrorist camps all over the world. Thank you.

Second, don’t give them reason to fight you.
The way you, Claudia, and your conservative friends are so horny into bombing and invading countries, is reason enough for them to just think of doing the same to you. Not until then comes democracy vs. mullahs. Didn’t you realize there wasn’t a single attack scheduled for Germany?

Third, if you have to fight terrorists, do so.
But keep in mind these terrorists you want to fight are not as stupid as you think they are. They don’t wear garbs during attack, but you want to fuck anyone who does so. They know how to communicate secure, they really do, but your Patriot Act (and many new German laws here) are into controlling citizens and treating them as usual criminals. Most measures to fight terrorists fight anyone of us but not the terrorists themselves.

Fourth, Saddam could have been put down without killing as many as 35′000 people.
There are trained special forces in US and other countries for this job. Look at this number, 35′000, and start to use your brain, Claudia. Many cases were reported by independent journalists of innocent people killed by US armed forces. This world is not all about killing everyone suspicious just to save your own ass, but they have done so, many times, for instance everyone has heard about the “all innocent people shot in a school bus which just didn’t stop immediately” story. But hell, yeah, lets just get all those evil Arabs and roast them anyway, duh.

Fifth, don’t send US/UK undercover agents to do the terrorists’ jobs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4263648.stm .

Your conservative attitude, Claudia, isn’t too different from the attitude of many terrorists.

Happy new year.

Meanwhile back in reality…

I did answer #17, read (# 18).

Let’s recap shall we?

You claimed: No WMD’s. I proved there was.
You claimed:
Capt. Fubar: “Bush didn’t adhere to UN treaties.”
Claudia asked Fubar:
What treaties? By whom? Signed when? Treaties are formally signed documents of public record. Name one…

Fubar, when you decide to stop your bullshit, I’ll be more than happy to engage further with you, until then, we are done.

A Safe and Happy New Year to You… brought to you by… the United States Military and coalition forces.