Support the American Soldiers! Say thanks to them during the “Thank a Soldier Week” (December 19-25) for risking their lives in defending not only the freedom of the United States, but also the freedom of the entire democratic world — actually the freedom of any ungrateful and America-hating European countries.
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Michael Meyn Las Vegas, US Motto: Whatever, Dummycrats! |
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Haha.
Well, I appreciate anyone risking their lives for the sake of democracy and other goodies.
But show me ONE military conflict where the US has intervened without political self-interest, only one. Hmm?
And why has the US military apparatus never been defending democracy in African states, where the people do really suffer? Yes! 100% score! There’s no f*cking oil…
Comment by Capt. Fubar - December 14, 2005 @ 1:30 pm
And BTW
America != Bush administration
GET IT.
Comment by Capt. Fubar - December 14, 2005 @ 1:39 pm
Where has ever been only one of these morally outclassing European countries, defending democracy in African states? Tell me, you smart alec! What about the Sudan, for example? Where are all these German and European do-gooders in this case? Where? — Nowhere! They’re only looking forward to fill up their pockets by trading with the Sudanese despots. While the U.S. calls for more sanctions against Sudan, Germany sees business opportunities. No oil in Sudan, but a hell of a lot of money nevertheless! That’s a typical kind of “high moral act” of Old Europes political “peace power”. Sickening hypocrisy! And you are an arrant hypocrite, too. Come on, go playing with your socialist, left-wing dumbasses.
Comment by J. Krafzik - December 14, 2005 @ 2:20 pm
You’re talking $!§&?!%”
German soldiers are doing peacekeeping jobs at:
- KFOR in Kosovo
- EUFOR in Bosnia and Herzegowina
- UNMIS in Sudan
- UNOMIG in Georgia
- UNMEE in Aethiopia and Eritrea
- OEF in Horn of Africa
- AMM in Indonesia
- OAE in Mediterranean
Hello no! There’s more to geography than Iraque and USA?! Hoooray
Same with other European countries. They could do more. They’re pretty much lame at the moment, ok, and they’re working on it. But where does the hypocrisy fit in?
Meanwhile the US are having a long dick and blocking work in the UN in many fields: Kyoto CO2 emission treaty, human rights laws (torture), etc. While having such a long dick in every matter, kidnapping Europeans in CIA air-planes, infringing their own laws of freedom, spying everyone and thinking of itself as the ultimate deity the US administration is absolutely impotent in caring for their own citizens! New Orleans was kicking the bucket while your dictator Mr. Bush continued his vacation for several days. And yes, we stupid Germans sent food and machinery. But hey, you have teh oil!1
Now please do yourself a favor and STFU. Open your eyes and USE YOUR BRAIN before you type.
You “conservatives” and wannabe cowboys are the egoistic hypocrats and don’t have the least clue how the world works like. God save America.
Comment by Capt. Fubar - December 14, 2005 @ 3:32 pm
It always amuses me how someone who demands “minimal respect” for a cold blooded murderer like Tookie Williams, is totally incapable of doing exactly that when confronted with an opinion he doesn’t agree with.
Thank you very much for demonstrating to our readers how the liberal mind works, Capt. Fubar. Your service is much appreciated!
Comment by M. Meyn - December 14, 2005 @ 6:22 pm
I’ll reply tomorrow to Capt. Fubar’s statement. Today, I’m too tired…
Comment by J. Krafzik - December 14, 2005 @ 6:31 pm
Hello M. Meyn
But ok…
First of all: Wrong thread. This one’s about US soldiers.
Secondly:
EVERY human being deserves MINIMAL respect, for both his life and his opinion. So does J. Krafzik. And I do have respect for his opinion, althought I don’t share it and some of the things he said are plain wrong.
I need to excuse my harsh words but the point here doesn’t change and, besides, Mr. Krafzik should have bargained for a harsh reaction to his harsh (and wrong) comment.
“It always amuses me how someone who demands “minimal respect” for a cold blooded murderer like Tookie Williams, is totally incapable of doing exactly that when confronted with an opinion he doesn’t agree with.”
That is a good point. So you want to tell me life has the same worth as someone’s words? You want to tell me one can judge over a human being’s life or death the same way as someone can judge over someone’s words, is that correct? If so, congrats, you just qualified yourself incapable of understanding basic human rights. Please read the UN declaration of human rights: http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html . Thank you.
You are endorsing death penalty as a “justice through vengeance” act and in the same breath condemning a harsh reaction to a (wrong) comment of the same gauge. You are airily equating verbal reactions with decisions over life and death. Well, that must be the conservative way of thinking I suppose. Considering that, you aren’t any better than Tookie Williams. You’re even worse: He’s a cold-blooded criminal who has been caught and deserves adequate punishment, but you say YES to killing people - and call it justice.
Back to topic.
Those soldiers you are so thankful for were mostly curled into war from poor homes, many were promised good education possibilities and a fair amount of money in exchange for their lives. They were assigned to killing people without agreement of the international community but for some few countries’ personal, financial and political interest. They haven’t been sent there when the Kurdish people were slaughtered, but they were sent to Iraque when Saddam threatened the Kuwait oil farms and when he told he won’t accept dollars for oil anymore. It was necessary, I agree, to put down Saddam sooner or later, and these soldiers did a great job. But more than being thankful for them dying in Iraque I feel sorry for them virtually not having had a choice and I wonder: What did they kill and let their lives for?
The way the whole operation was done wasn’t any better than the way Saddam would have done it if he could, i.e. many people were killed for $$ and personal profit under the flags “good” against “evil”.
Comment by Capt. Fubar - December 14, 2005 @ 9:41 pm
Capt. Fubar,
A quick search of US military demographics will let you know that it’s mostly middle class kids doing the volunteering. Absolutely there are incentives but the US military is not brought to you by “the projects” of NY, Chicago, LA etc.
Also you say it was necessary to put down Sadaam. So your biggest complaint seems to be that we work only for self interest. Yet - I can just imagine the world’s reactions if we chose across all maps who was good and who was evil and stuck our noses in every place vs those places where a) it behooves us, b) it’s needed, c) long term goals can be accomplished. It’s election day in Iraq. May more elections out there not happen with 100% turnout and 100% support for whoever is in power!
Comment by Terri - December 15, 2005 @ 6:33 am
“That is a good point. So you want to tell me life has the same worth as someone’s words?”
No, that’s not what I’m trying to tell you. What I’m trying to tell you is that you demand respect for someone who has killed four human beings (God only knows how many crimes he actually commited that couldn’t be connected to him). That’s fine and I understand where you are coming from.
But at the same you have no problem stepping over the line and resort to insults when something trivial as a post in a blog is not to your liking. That, too, is fine. It doesn’t bother me, nor does it bother the other two authors of Misunderestimated Germans. As I mentioned before, you provide a great service. People like you remind us every day how important it is to stay focused on reality. You are the perfect example of what can happen if you wander off the right path.
I hope you will continue to come here. Who knows, maybe one day you will be able to look at reality with an open mind. We will do our best to help you! (Gotta turn on your brain, of course.)
Comment by M. Meyn - December 15, 2005 @ 4:48 pm
Hello Mr Meyn
May I repeat myself and say I’m sorry for insulting anyone personally, especially Mr. Krafzik, who had intoned:
“Sickening hypocrisy! And you are an arrant hypocrite, too. Come on, go playing with your socialist, left-wing dumbasses.”
Since he began this line of insults and is a conservative, your view of the liberal way of thinking is plain wrong. So please don’t distract from the actual discussion.
What do you mean by “the right path”? To grow fat and old and vote for the conservatives and bemoan the good ol’ times and adhere to dictator-like war-wicked authorities who don’t care about their own citizens, international human rights and constitutional laws? I’ll have to think about that one twice.
In terms of respect, you got me wrong. I personally don’t have any respect for cold-blooded murderers, just like you. In either way everyone who kills or consciously wants others to be killed is a murderer by common sense. So are death penalty advocates to a certain extent. But I do have respect for life and I do discuss with Mr Krafzik and you, take this definition as “minimal respect”.
We might have different views of reality, but how do you define open-mindedness? I had to laugh when I read it.
Comment by Capt. Fubar - December 15, 2005 @ 6:53 pm
Capt. Fubar….you are “FUBAR”? Do you really think that: “Those soldiers you are so thankful for were mostly curled into war from poor homes, many were promised good education possibilities and a fair amount of money in exchange for their lives.” If so your name is apt and amusing!
Now, go and actually meet some of our soldiers. Prehaps you could learn and loose at least the BAR part of your name!
jlwb
Comment by JLWB - December 17, 2005 @ 5:33 pm
Hello JLWB
There’s a BIG difference in talking of “the soldiers” and to a person who happens to be a soldier. I have respect for them and wouldn’t talk like that to anyone personally. Indeed I have more respect for American soldiers fighting in Iraque than for this blog’s war-propagating authors.
Comment by Capt. Fubar - December 18, 2005 @ 12:50 pm
Terri,
I’ve done a search on military demographics and you’re right to the point there are more soldiers from middle-class origin. But it was measured by their parents’ jobs and purse thickness. And I also found many soldiers who were attracted just didn’t have employment perspectives, so “poor homes” still applies.
Comment by Capt. Fubar - December 18, 2005 @ 4:36 pm
Capt. Fubar (and yes, I’m still amused by your handle!”
“And I also found many soldiers who were attracted just didn’t have employment perspectives, so “poor homes” still applies.” Where did you find these soldiers from ‘poor homes’ “? Do you actually know them? Have you actually talked with them? Have you seen their test scores? Do you know of their talents? Do you acutally KNOW a soldier, personally? At 5% unemployment, can they really not find a job outside of the Army?
“There’s a BIG difference in talking of “the soldiers” and to a person who happens to be a soldier. I have respect for them and wouldn’t talk like that to anyone personally. Indeed I have more respect for American soldiers fighting in Iraque than for this blog’s war-propagating authors.”
Do you think that soldiers do not read blogs? Maybe you think they can not read….or use a computer. Or prehaps the parents of these “poor soldiers” don’t know how to read?
I happen to know a few of these young men and women. Actually, I know dozens of these young men and women. I also know their parents. Oh…..I also happen to be one of the parents of a soldier from a “poor home” who did indeed fight in Iraq. As soon as he gets back to base, I’ll give him this blog site. He’ll be amused. He’ll love your handle
He’s also visited Dachau……and saw the mass graves in Iraq.
jlwb
Comment by JLWB - December 18, 2005 @ 7:53 pm
Capt. Fubar,
The following link should clear things up concerning the United States military. It appears that the military is made up of more than just ‘poor dumb bastards’, as you seem to think it is. Gosh Fubar, ya think that is why the United States military is the most powerful in the world? [sic]
http://www.defenselink.mil/prhome/poprep2002/pdf/chapters2002.pdf
Comment by Claudia - December 19, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
JLWB,
I never assumed soldiers don’t read blogs.
Claudia,
I never said soldiers are “poor dumb bastards”.
I just pity them for they have to serve under a bastard president.
Comment by Capt. Fubar - December 19, 2005 @ 9:55 pm
Capt. Fubar,
Once again, you skirt the point. The point in my post–that you half-assed quoted–was specifically about the German media.
How exactly has President Bush effected your life? Apparently not too much as you have time to post utter crap on this blog.
Comment by Claudia - December 20, 2005 @ 8:51 am
Fubar,
Working backwards on your posts, Captain F*cked up beyond any reconnection, your handle is appropriate.
“I just pity them for they have to serve under a bastard president.” Your view! Not mine. Nor is it the view of the majority of the military! You probably voted for Schorder!
“And I also found many soldiers who were attracted just didn’t have employment perspectives, so “poor homes” still applies.” You don’t know US soldiers or you would not say this! They joined for many reasons beyond their pay! They continue to join! Our unemployment rate is 5%. Companies are paying cash to anyone who gets a person to apply! Our service members can get good jobs, yet they continue to join the military and reenlist!
“I have respect for them and wouldn’t talk like that to anyone personally.” Writing things like this on blogs is an insult. You would not talk to them like this? If you have respect for them, you would not write this stuff on a blog!
“Meanwhile the US are having a long dick and blocking work in the UN in many fields: Kyoto CO2 emission treaty, human rights laws (torture), etc. While having such a long dick in every matter, kidnapping Europeans in CIA air-planes, infringing their own laws of freedom, spying everyone and thinking of itself as the ultimate deity the US administration is absolutely impotent in caring for their own citizens! New Orleans was kicking the bucket while your dictator Mr. Bush continued his vacation for several days. And yes, we stupid Germans sent food and machinery. But hey, you have teh oil!1”
Kyoto. And what is Germany doing? Until China and India are held to the same standards, Kyoto will do nothing to reduce Greenhouse gasses and will wreck the economy of many nations, including Germany. Oh, Germany backed out of Kyoto because of this?
Did the US not return the “German”? “kidnapping Europeans in CIA air-planes” Or was he Egyptian? He was not taken from Germany. And, the German government seems to have agreed with his deportation from the Balkans.
Torture? Our soldiers have been on trial and put in jail! What happened to your soldiers that tortured GERMAN soldiers? Have they been put on trial and are they serving jail time?
“New Orleans was kicking the bucket while your dictator Mr. Bush continued his vacation for several days” Look at the demographics!
You “stupid Germans” don’t need to send anything! Feel free to be smug! We will take care of our own!
I will add to the: “US are having a long dick and blocking work in the UN in many fields” The Human Rights Commission! Look who is on it! Hitler being the cheerleader for the Jews would make as much sense! Oil for Food! Rape by peacekeepers!
I know Germans! There are many who have a spine, know the facts and the history, and a great honor and heart! There are others that do not know the facts and are, to put it lightly, idiots who think they are brilliant!
Claudia seems to be saying that the German media doesn’t help to honestly report the news (forgive me and correct me if I’m wrong on this, Claudia!) The reporting in the German Media shocks me! It is no wonder that Germans are anti-American! If I was not American and read the crap in the German media, I would have no idea how false it was, and would probably hate myself!
And, I will end with: You really are FUBAR and have a LOT to learn. Or you are a troll!
JLWB
Comment by JLWB - December 20, 2005 @ 9:37 pm